Saturday, August 09, 2014

Seperation of Church and State.

Due to personal issues, this is my first blog for a long time so I thought I’d ease my way back into it gently.
 
I  saw this on the BBC web site:
 
 
 
 
I wondered what the reaction of Christians would be, so I popped over to the Christian Post:
 
Diner Drops Discount for Praying Customers After Being Threatened By Lawsuits; Manager Speaks Out
By Emma Koonse , Christian Post Reporter
A manager of the North Carolina diner that recently dropped its occasional 15 percent discount to customers who pray in public is speaking out on the threats of a lawsuit this week.
Mary's Gourmet Diner made international headlines after a customer shared her "praying in public" discount on Facebook, garnering thousands of likes and shares. However, the Winston-Salem, N.C. restaurant has already ended the deal after coming under legal fire. On Thursday, The Christian Post spoke with a manager at Mary's, who chose to go unamed, that described his disappointment in the controversy surrounding the discount.
"Our community has very strong individuals who have done nothing but support us and we give nothing but thanks to them. The ones that really have been harassing us are out of state individuals and not individuals that live in our community," said the manager, who wished to remain anonymous. "We are strong individuals, we have taken all of this in, and we appreciate everyone's support and unfortunately the bad has overruled the good."
The owners of the diner, Mary Haglund and her daughter Shama, have not yet responded to CP's request for further comments. However, the manager revealed that the co-owners are saddened over the threat of lawsuits following the prayer discount.
"We have done away with the discount and Mary and her daughter Shama are very saddened by this, this is a gift that we gave to our customers - this is a gift that has been taken from us," the manager said. "The gift of giving is just as important as receiving the gift. These individuals are very hurt, but it has made our community stronger. There's always good things that come out of the bad, and unfortunately, we will see it in time, but we are not seeing it yet."
Although Mary's will no longer offer 15 percent off the check for customers who pray, the diner is still encouraging patrons to take time before their meal in gratitude.
"There is a lot of evil in this world, and we encourage people to still come in and take a moment before the food to really be appreciative of what they have and to separate themselves from all the madness in the world," the manager added. "All the disease that's coming into the U.S. and from all the war and the madness that's going on overseas as well. All Americans are very stressed about the economy and the way things are going, but we have things to be thankful for and we like to give thanks regardless of a discount or not."
The original social media post displaying the discount by customer, Jordan Smith, received thousands of likes and shares, but not all responses to the deal were positive. While many Christians praised Mary's for encouraging prayer, other believers cited Matthew 6:5 in the New Testament: "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others," according to other reports.
Furthermore, other readers online questioned whether or not Mary's extended the discount to all forms of prayer – Christian or otherwise. In response, Haglund told an Orlando, Fl. Christian radio station that she appreciates the "attitude of gratitude," regardless of whether it is a Christian prayer or a simple meditation.
Nevertheless, on Wednesday, Mary's posted a hand-written notice on its front window stating it must "protect your freedom from religion in a public place," according to the Winston-Salem Journal. The restaurant also cited the threat of a lawsuit before offering an apology for "any offense this discount has incurred."
 
 
All fairly innocuous stuff really, a discussion about whether praying in public is self serving etc.
What the Christian Post failed to mention was the reason they stopped giving ‘a discount for praying in public’ was because they received a letter from a group called ‘Freedom From Religion’ who sent them a letter, not threatening a lawsuit but asking them to withdraw the discount.
Extract from the BBC article:
However, unbeknownst to her the discount may have been a violation of the Civil Rights Act, which was passed in the 1960s to protect US citizens from racial and religious discrimination. "As a place of public accommodation, the Civil Rights Act requires the diner to offer goods and services, which we interpret to include discounts, without regard to religion, race, and national origin," says Elizabeth Cavell, a staff attorney at the Freedom From Religion Foundation.Cavell sent a letter to the diner urging it to withdraw the discount. "Most people can understand how discriminatory discounts are really unfair to the people that are not included in the preferred group," says Ms Cavell.After receiving the letter, Haglund immediately stopped it, posting a sign on the front door to inform her patrons of the change. "I applaud the Civil Rights bill and there was no malintent on our part, so we have discontinued the discount," says Haglund.
 
 
I am opposed to any form of religious involvement in the running of a country  but in conclusion I think it might not be a bad idea before you eat a meal in a restaurant, particularly in some of the more backward US states to close your eyes and say the following. ‘I hope the cook washed their hands after they visited the bathroom.’ And who knows a 15% discount might be just around the corner.

4 comments:

Karen said...

O.k., if I'm way out of line with this question, please feel free to ignore me. But I have to ask - are you "greenhaddock"?

Nordbank said...

Karen,
Unfortunately I am not greenhaddock and you do not win 10 Euros.
But I think that it's very funny that you think that I am. (which is more than you can say about my blog).
I am interested in why you think I am Mr Haddock? I am honestly not but we have been good friends for over fifteen years. We worked shifts together and spent many happy hours putting the world to right.

Thanks for the comment and I'll pass this on to Mr Haddock tomorrow.

And I really must blog more often.

Karen said...

Dear Mr. Nordbank,

I was sooo hoping for the 10 Euros. :-((

No, but seriousy, thank you for answering. It's quite nice of you.

Why I thought you might be Mr. Haddock? Odd female logic, I guess. Addled brain perhaps.

I do appreciate your passing on a hello, I hope he's doing well. He stopped blogging somewhat abruptly and I thought he'd gone undercover and started up here again. My mistake.

And yes, you should blog more often. Quite a few interesting articles you've dug up here.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. :-)

Nordbank said...

Karen,

The rest of my Sunday was almost enjoyable, I watched Arsenal huff and puff to a league win over Crystal Palace, (2-1 as you asked) I then drank far too much Guinness and decided that the way to end the evening was with a kebab. A decision I'm regretting this morning.

I'll say hello to Mr Haddock for you later.

And I really must blog more.